Obamas 1st interview.

What does everyone think about obamas first interview to arab tv news media?

I haven't seen it yet....
Rob

I haven't seen nor heard it either. Politics don't really hold a lot of interest for me. I do like Obama and wish him the best of luck in his endeavours. He's going to need it after what Monkeyboy left for him to clean up.

Charlie wrote:I haven't seen nor heard it either. Politics don't really hold a lot of interest for me. I do like Obama and wish him the best of luck in his endeavours. He's going to need it after what Monkeyboy left for him to clean up.

Same here, Charlie. I voted for Obama for 3 reasons, 1) I'm a dyed-in-the-wool, gun-owning, Death Penalty supporting, hardcore Southern Democrat (who doesn't like Hilary), 2) The Reps have had this country for 8 years now, and tho I liked McCain as being a nice guy, I am sick of the mess we are in now (and both sides got us into this), and am ready for a change, and 3) I'm ready for a change. Did I already say that? Yeah...I don't give a damn what color a man's a skin is: If he can do the job, and do it well, then he's got MY vote...I wish the best for him, and I know I wouldn't want his job!

Rob

1) I'm a dyed-in-the-wool, gun-owning, Death Penalty supporting, , 2) The Reps have had this country for 8 years now..I don't give a damn what color a man's a skin is: If he can do the job, and do it well, then he's got MY vote...
Rob

If that's the case you voted for the wrong one. He's already working with Pelosi, Biden, and others to re enact the clinton gun ban, close down gun shows and tax ammo so you can't afford it along with taking more of our guns away from us. ANd I don't like the idea of a socialist/marxist society.

Any person who wants my guns willl have to pry them from my cold hands. I have read nothing that implies Obama is a friend to us gun owners. I pulled my time ( 1966 - 1970 USAF ) to be able to own a gun as provided in the Constitution. I have no problem with skin color, just a problem with those who want to mess with the rights that we have fought for and I believe Obama is doing that.

Guys...I might be knocking on wood later, but I don't think so...I don't see the guns/ammo thing as anything more than pre-election and opposing party hype. We've had the 2nd Amendment right ever since 1791, through thick and thin, and I don't see one single administration making a drastic change...the US citizen is too steeped in the tradition of preserving his constitutional rights to let that happen....and as always, bills are written, bills are passed, bills are reversed....we ain't gonna have to pay super-high ammo taxes....or at least, at the very worst, we will until the Reps get control again... ...but, I don't think our guns are going anywhere.

Of course, this country has been flirting with Socialism ever since 1935, so it's not new here.... we've lived a form of it ever since then...
Rob

Always vote republican because of the gun issue an the enviroment. Have not forgot the last time the democrats were in charge. Am afraid my backyard will be one of the first areas locked up. We already have enough land of no use here in Idaho. All you Obomha fans hope it does not come back to bite you in the ass.

As far a Obama and his Democratic follower's go you have "no rights" to own a firearm by their inturpetation of the Bill of Rights. They will reinstate the Brady Assault Weapon Ban and I've seen the preliminary list and it is extensive. Kiss you rights to own a firearm good bye. OOH that's right you don't have no rights to own a firearm.

Ghostcruiser wrote:Guys...I might be knocking on wood later, but I don't think so...I don't see the guns/ammo thing as anything more than pre-election and opposing party hype. We've had the 2nd Amendment right ever since 1791, through thick and thin, and I don't see one single administration making a drastic change.

So you mean you missed out on the fact that they banned so called assault rifles a few years ago under clinton? Assault rifles are owned by very few cause they require a class 3 lic for guns that fire on full auto or bursts. The guns that were banned were semi autos like the AR 15 and other hunting rifles and guns with suppressors and large cap. mags. None of these things make it an assault rifle. It cost manf. money, and it cost legal citizens the right to bare the arms they wanted or needed for a particular purpose. Things like hunting, and competitions, and self protection.

And have you forgotten the illegal gun bans already enacted by liberal states and cities. Take places like Chicago, Ill. and the Washington DC area. Get caught carrying your legally owned firearm in that state and see what happens to you. They illegally went against the constitution and banned guns in those areas. NRA has been filing suits against them for years. Not to mention mayors and governors such in those towns and states have filed many bogus law suits against manf. trying run them out of business by bankrupting them. If it was not for the NRA this would stil be going on.

..the US citizen is too steeped in the tradition of preserving his constitutional rights to let that happen....and as always, bills are written, bills are passed, bills are reversed....we ain't gonna have to pay super-high ammo taxes....or at least, at the very worst, we will until the Reps get control again... ...but, I don't think our guns are going anywhere.

Of course, this country has been flirting with Socialism ever since 1935, so it's not new here.... we've lived a form of it ever since then...
Rob

Places like Germany, Australia, the U.k. and Japan have said things just like that.

That's how Hitler got in control of Germany by the way. HE was just like hussane that we just elected. Hitler could talk to you till he had you convinced it was your idea that the sky was green instead of blue. That's just how good he was . Got all of Germany to turn in there guns, before the war started. Now look at hussane. He talks a good talk and primps himself up in front of the mirror too, just like Hitler. I'm not say he is Hitler by any means, but if you can't see the similarities, you are blind.

And trust me, liberals have been wiping there butt with the constitution for years. Look back at the earlier mention of the dc gun band and you can't argue that point with me. And they will damn sure do what ever they wont. And if the military takes side with there leader, then we as citizens are out numbered and would loose in another civil war trying to protect our freedoms.

Well, I'm a registered Democrat, but there's no way in hell I'll give up my guns without a fight. It seems like every time the Reps lose an election, then they stir up the same old crap that now that there's a Dem in office, we're all going to have to register our guns, yadda, yadda. Same old s--t, just another bunch of paranoids saying it. I'm not the least bit worried about any gun or ammo bills affecting me at all. We have a hell of a lot more and bigger problems to worry about now. Why the hell are the big 3 closing plants in the U.S instead of the ones in foreign countries? Obama needs to stop that crap now. Close them in the foreign countries, make the UAW employees take less money and keep their damned jobs. How greedy do you have to be? I'd rather be making twenty bucks an hour and have a job than to say "I used to make forty bucks an hour and now I'm unemployed." Bunch of spoiled bastards have helped run our automakers into the ground.

chuzz wrote:Well, I'm a registered Democrat, but there's no way in hell I'll give up my guns without a fight. It seems like every time the Reps lose an election, then they stir up the same old crap that now that there's a Dem in office, we're all going to have to register our guns, yadda, yadda. Same old s--t, just another bunch of paranoids saying it. I'm not the least bit worried about any gun or ammo bills affecting me at all. We have a hell of a lot more and bigger problems to worry about now. Why the hell are the big 3 closing plants in the U.S instead of the ones in foreign countries? Obama needs to stop that crap now. Close them in the foreign countries, make the UAW employees take less money and keep their damned jobs. How greedy do you have to be? I'd rather be making twenty bucks an hour and have a job than to say "I used to make forty bucks an hour and now I'm unemployed." Bunch of spoiled bastards have helped run our automakers into the ground.

WHAT!!!
Are you just whislting up a dark alley? Its already started! Check this out!!!

The current issue of the New Gun Week & the Rifleman have extensive stories on this latest repeal
of an electioneering myth!




Here they come, ready or not. Feel the water getting warmer?

Are you ready for the House Bill titled 'HR 45, Blair Holt Licensing and Record Act of 2009'. It will make it illegal to own a firearm unless it is registered with the database in Washington D.C. As a gun owner you will have to be finger printed, you will be required to provide your DL#, SS#, you must maintain a valid address at all times, submit to mental and physical health
records being put on file, you will also be required to file any address changes and any ownership changes even if a private sale. Each update will cost $25 and if you fail to comply you will lose your right to own firearms. This bill and its language mirror almost completely one defeated last year in the House of Representatives by soon to be Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. Will we the citizenry be as lucky this time?

Pass this on to everyone who believes in strict Constitutionalism and remember that laws only apply to those who obey them. Criminals by definition and nature do not abide by laws. New laws and restrictions only apply to the law abiding citizen and are not written with the criminal in mind. With guns, it is not about having laws on the books to prosecute individuals, it is about taking
guns away from the people so that no one has them in the first place. One last item to note, when assuming power and creating a facist state, Hitler was a proponent of strong gun laws because a disarmed populace was much easier to control than an armed one. The kings of old also outlawed weapons of any kind in any region that they conquered to quell the ability of the citizens to uprise against them.

The Founding Fathers of this nation understood all of the above and because of this they included the second amendment in the constitution. In fact, they knew that at some point in every society's life span that the need for the population to arise came about. To this end they made the right to keep and bear arms against a tyrannical state an absolute right that could not be revoked.
They did this because the first thing tyrants and despots do is to remove a population's right to defend themselves When this is done, the tyrants have no problem with the destruction of society as we know it.

Send this on to all true patriots! Protect your Second Amendment!

The following is a summary of the bill as provided by the Congressional Research Service. If you read the whole bill, you'll find it will effectively preclude the ownership of ANY firearms by law-abiding people unless licensed by the Attorney General. How long do you think THAT would take??
Congressional Research Service Summary
The following summary was written by the Congressional Research Service, a well-respected nonpartisan arm of the Library of Congress. GovTrack did not write and has no control over these summaries.
1/6/2009--Introduced.
Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 - Amends the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act to prohibit a person from possessing a firearm unless that person has been issued a firearm license under this Act or a state system certified under this Act and such license has not been invalidated or revoked. Prescribes license application, issuance, and renewal requirements.
Prohibits transferring or receiving a qualifying firearm unless the recipient presents a valid firearms license, the license is verified, and the dealer records a tracking authorization number. Prescribes firearms transfer reporting and record keeping requirements. Directs the Attorney General to establish and maintain a federal record of sale system.
Prohibits: (1) transferring a firearm to any person other than a licensee, unless the transfer is processed through a licensed dealer in accordance with national instant criminal background check system requirements, with exceptions;

(2) a licensed manufacturer or dealer from failing to comply with reporting and record keeping requirements of this Act;

(3) failing to report the loss or theft of the firearm to the Attorney General within 72 hours;


(4) failing to report to the Attorney General an address change within 60 days; or

(5) keeping a loaded firearm, or an unloaded firearm and ammunition for the firearm, knowingly or recklessly disregarding the risk that a child is capable of gaining access, if a child uses the firearm and causes death or serious bodily injury.
Prescribes criminal penalties for violations of firearms provisions covered by this Act.
Directs the Attorney General to: (1) establish and maintain a firearm injury information clearinghouse; (2) conduct continuing studies and investigations of firearm-related deaths and injuries; and (3) collect and maintain current production and sales figures of each licensed manufacturer. Authorizes the Attorney General to certify state firearm licensing or record of sale systems.



Pleased be advised and pass this along: House Bill HR 45, Blair Holt Licensing and Record Act of 2009
Will, in my opinion, be the first of 2 or 3 steps toward confiscation of privately owned firearms.

You can follow the sequence as it already happened in Canada and the UK. First the government needs to register the guns so they will know where to find them.

chuzz wrote: I'm not the least bit worried about any gun or ammo bills affecting me at all. We have a hell of a lot more and bigger problems to worry about now. Why the hell are the big 3 closing plants in the U.S instead of the ones in foreign countries?

You should be worrying. They are going after our guns just like they did when clinton was in office,except this time they have control of the house, and senate and husanes got all the gun ban flunkies working for him.

As far as the big 4 go, they did it to themselves by letting the unions take over. They spend more in health care,pensions per person than it cost to build a damn car. That's why a 10 g car cost you 35 g now. Funny how Nissan workers average $15 to 25 and hour and the big 3 pay over 50 to 75 an hour. And it's damned near impossible to fire the slackers too.

Obama needs to stop that crap now. Close them in the foreign countries, make the UAW employees take less money and keep their damned jobs.

Don't see how when he has no leagal power to do that.

How greedy do you have to be? I'd rather be making twenty bucks an hour and have a job than to say "I used to make forty bucks an hour and now I'm unemployed." Bunch of spoiled bastards have helped run our automakers into the ground.

Tell it to the union, they are the cause.

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chuzz wrote: I'm not the least bit worried about any gun or ammo bills affecting me at all. We have a hell of a lot more and bigger problems to worry about now.

You should be worrying. They are going after our guns just like they did when clinton was in office,except this time they have control of the house, and senate and husanes got all the gun ban flunkies working for him.

Yes, Obama is pulling the strings, but the puppets are not his. They all belong to George Soros! He is the
man behind the money, and he pulls Obama's strings!
When they repealed Clintons 10 yr old gun bans, Soros swore that he would put a man in, with HIS people,
to take all guns away from all civilians! That has been documented..... and he did it, pulling the wool over
the peoples eyes, just like Hitler did in Germany, when they had a domestic crisis too!
History repeats itself when people don't learn from the past.

chuzz wrote: make the UAW employees take less money and keep their damned jobs. How greedy do you have to be? I'd rather be making twenty bucks an hour and have a job than to say "I used to make forty bucks an hour and now I'm unemployed." Bunch of spoiled bastards have helped run our automakers into the ground.

You need to go back and study more history. The UAW did not start this greedy grab --- it was the trade unions
in the building industry that started the whole shebang!
What makes a plumbers time worth $80./hr? or an electrician worth $87.50/hr? These are the guys who
started it, and the politicians condoned it with legislation, cause they got election money from these unions!
How many States have banned right-to-work laws or tied them to belonging to a union, when you did not
want to belong? Worse yet, that the Unions can use your dues to support candidates who don't follow your
beliefs?
Put the blame where it belongs -- an overzealous trade union with no restraints, who came into being
because companies would not follow the golden rule, and exploited their underpaid, overworked employees!
We are going right back there now!

Go read the book, "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand. You'll be reading about current events!---- and it was
written many years ago!

Nope, I'm still not worried. I think you guys are paranoid!! LOL And I agree with you Bob about the trade unions. None of those jobs should pay so much. And what the hell makes a "professional" athelete worth 15 million bucks per year? Nothing!! Nobody should make that much money to play a frigging game. After all, it is just a game. Same applies to NASCAR too for that matter. Personally, I think we should have salary caps on everything. That would make the paying field a lot more level, wouldn't it? Fire away boys!!

chuzz wrote:Nope, I'm still not worried. I think you guys are paranoid!! LOL And I agree with you Bob about the trade unions. None of those jobs should pay so much. And what the hell makes a "professional" athelete worth 15 million bucks per year? Nothing!! Nobody should make that much money to play a frigging game. After all, it is just a game. Same applies to NASCAR too for that matter. Personally, I think we should have salary caps on everything. That would make the paying field a lot more level, wouldn't it? Fire away boys!!

Well, you got it half right Charlie. Yes the athletic endeavors are not worth the amounts being paid, but look
at the other side -- what is their useful work life, if they don't get injured permanently? They are entitled to a form of "hazard pay", just like the military in a hot zone.
And there are hazards in the construction industry too, but put it all in perspective. I've seen plumbers and
carpenters working well into their senior years --- not because they have to, they want to-- because they
don't know how to do anything else. The unions need to make a law that all members have to either play golf,
shuffleboard, or bowl! Then, they'd have something else to do!
You have salary caps with trade unions! Did you ever see a journeyman get a merit raise?
In that regard, let's flog another horse. How about Teachers Unions? That is the biggest boondoggle ever
created. They are next only to career politicians and government workers!
Why shouldn't they be cut if they don't do a good job, instead of being switched to another school!
And how about them after-hours activities with their students, and I don't mean sports either!
When I was in school, my contemporaries who could not make it in some other curriculum, always
switched to education, 'cause you could pass there if you could fog a mirror!
If you want to learn about what happened to education in this country read: "A Democrats Dilemma" by
Dr. Phillip Crane, a former professor of history. It is about the Fabian Socialist movement from England into
the good ol' USA! Guess what? They made it!

Yep, I agree wholeheartedly about teachers. That's another reason we chose to home school our kids. The power of the schools has been given to the students and not the teachers and administrators. A teacher paddle a kid for talking back or disrupting a class?? God forbid. Kids have no respect for their teachers or principals anymore because they don't need to fear them. Back when I was in school, if I got a whipping for something I did, I sure as hell didn't let my father know about it. He'd have whipped my ass too. Even today, parents are afraid of disciplining their kids for fear the kid will call the law on them. My son threatened to call the police on me one day after I spanked him for spitting on his momma. I told him to go right ahead and while he was at it, he needed to call the coroners office too as I would beat him to death before the law could get here. He never pulled that crap on me again. Or his momma. People are all so worried about the all mighty dollar nowadays, that they don't have a clue as to what's going on with their kids either at school or after school until they get home. Hell, around here, most of them get a car when they're sixteen and that's pretty much the last momma and daddy see of them until they're out of school and out of the house. No wonder there's so many of them cooking meth and doing drugs. Their parents don't care about them. And what the hell is wrong with the teachers that they have to be screwing these kids? Can't they go out to a bar and pick up some other loser to sleep with? Geez, America is definitely going to hell in a handbasket.

Very Important for you to be aware of a new bill HR 45 introduced into the House.

This is the Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sale Act of 2009.
We just learned yesterday about this on the Peter Boyles radio program.
Even gun shop owners didn't know about this because it is flying under the radar.

To find out about this - go to any government website and type in HR 45 or Google HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009. You will get all the information.

Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with a clip or ANY pistol unless:

•It is registered

•You are fingerprinted

•You supply a current Driver's License

•You supply your Social Security #

•You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing

•Each update - change or ownership through private or public sale must be reported and costs $25 - Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail.

•There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305 stating a child-access provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any child under 18.

They would have the right to come and inspect that you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children and fine is punishable for up to 5 yrs. in prison.

If you think this is a joke - go to the website and take your pick of many options to read this. It is long and lengthy. But, more and more people are becoming aware of this. Pass the word along. Any hunters in your family - pass this along.

Peter Boyles is on this and having guests. Listen to him on KHOW 630 a.m. in the morning. He suggests the best way to fight this is to tell all your friends about it and "spring into action". Also he suggests we all join a pro-gun group like the Colorado Rifle Association, hunting associations, gun clubs and especially the NRA.

This is just a "termite" approach to complete confiscation of guns and disarming of our society to the point we have no defense - chip away a little here and there until the goal is accomplished before anyone realizes it.

This is one to act on whether you own a gun or not.

If you take my gun, only the criminal will have one to use against me. HR 45 only makes me/us less safe. After working with convicts for 26 years I know this bill, if passed, would make them happy and in less danger from their victims.


http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45:

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/show

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-45

I already posted info on this.
Look at the threads above this!!!

Are you taking my freedom away to repost!!!!

dmw56 wrote:Are you taking my freedom away to repost!!!!

LOL !!

Don't kid your self. They take a little more of your freedom away every day. Most never see it till its lost. Seen on the news the other day they proposed a bill to lock up more land in 5 states. It has already started beware. Oboma already froze our ability to kill wolves that are desamating the big game herds here.

Wolves??? Deseminating game herds??? Who was here first? What is the natural predator? Humans have done more desminating on this planet than any other or all species put together. Give the wolves a break and go shoot a cow!!!

Yeh tell me that when they get ahold of a little kid. Its not if but when.